So the 787-9 would have the most headroom for an increase to create a 787-9ER. 3mn for the smallest variant and rises to $338. The 787-9 Dreamliner completed its maiden flight in September 2013 and is scheduled to enter service with Air New Zealand in mid-2014. To get to the useful levels of 77W it needs another 6-10t on top of that. The airplane's unparalleled fuel efficiency and range flexibility enables carriers to profitably open new routes as well as optimize. If the 777X completely fails and the market starts demanding bigger long haul jets, then I could see more ambitious 787 developments (787-10ER, 787-11), but that is a big if and would require significant investment (bigger wing, new landing gear). FAQ; Search . The duo is both wide-bodied aircraft. flipdewaf wrote: The 787-10 isnt capable enough to be fully mainstream just yet, even with the 6T MTOW upgrade it has ~6800nm SAR and 4550nm at MZFW. LATAM has mostly returned narrowbody airplanes. With a focus on comfortable, convenient and affordable travel, we have won. FAQ; SearchTo be phased out and replaced by Boeing 787-10ER. Conclusion. If Boeing do build the 787-10ER this will come with bunks and to fully utilise its range BA will need them. Sooner I think. Boeing should put its financial and engineering resources to getting its supply chain and production quality in order, then into designing a brand new replacement of the 737 line (I think we all know that there cannot be a 5th generation 737). Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . The cost wouldn't be worth it. I only have ten 787-10s for the aforementioned routes, and 60+ 787-9s for my main LH fleet. Now we analyze how to achieve the extra range and what trades will be necessary to convert the 787-10 to a 787-10ER. USER_MINI_PROFILE. No need for a triple bogey, the 359 has a double with weights the 787 won't approach and has no need for. Experience the new way to fly. And of course a brand new single-aisle. The 787-10 is what it is. TOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . Ignore the usual nonsense Deal and Hyslop are talking about and let’s circle back to the 787-10 MTOW bump. And let us also remember what Boeing actually told. Advanced searchEngine. Boeing is working on 787-9ER and 787-10ER and I think it is very. You have no notifications. DLHAM. USER_MINI_PROFILE. The 747 era is over, the seventies and eighties are over. 99/yearAircraft specifications. 000 kg / 13. Seating: 323 passengers (33 percent more than the 787-8; 15 percent more than the 787-9) Range: 7,020 nautical miles (13,000 km) — more than 90 percent of the world’s twin-aisle routes Configuration: Twin aisleTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . A MAX-10ER would move the needle more than a 787-10ER, IMO. Revelation. Posts: 1025; Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:10 am; USER_STATUS: OFF_LINE; Re: 787-9ER and 787-10ER #23825037. Settings WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] NO_PMS_INFOYou have no notifications. FAQ; SearchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . Photo: Airbus. IMO, if the 777X fails, it might just be better to cede that side of the market to Airbus. Posts: 1015; Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:10 am; USER_STATUS: OFF_LINE; Re: 787-9ER and 787-10ER #23825037. Boeing should put its financial and engineering resources to getting its supply chain and production quality in order, then into designing a brand new replacement of the 737 line (I think we all know that there cannot be a 5th generation 737). USER_MINI_PROFILE. 5% difference. FAQ; Search . Reply Like. One of the key points is whether the 787-10ER could partially fill the role of a passenger 777-8. The 737 platform has been pushed much harder than the 787, as you know. The later generation engines on the A350-900 closes the difference in operating costs depending on how the aircraft is operated. Boeing should put its financial and engineering resources to getting its supply chain and production quality in order, then into designing a brand new replacement of the 737 line (I think we all know that there cannot be a 5th generation 737). Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . One thing I think that is needed is a lower capacity TATL airplane. 787-9ER and -10ER is only going to attract a marginal number of additional orders from existing 787. Advanced searchRe: Boeing 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022 #23406813. FAQ; Search . Advanced searchYou have no notifications. Re: Boeing confirms higher gross weight 787-10 #23111827. Considering the advantages the A350-900/1000 has over the 787-10/777-8 for the vast majority of mission profiles because of the much more optimized design, weight, etc. A 787-10ER is a narrower aircraft with a smaller wing than an A350-900. DLHAM. But stronger engines to accelerate the aircraft to a higher lift-off speed or longer runways are needed. A 787-10ER can be a great replacement for the 777-200ER, the standard 10 already is for all routes up to around 12 hours. Search Flights. FAQ; Search . Posts: 29389; Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:37 pm; USER_STATUS: OFF_LINE;A 787-10ER can be a great replacement for the 777-200ER, the standard 10 already is for all routes up to around 12 hours. The -10 is an extended version of the 787-9 and therefore has more seating capacity. Boeing's list price for the 787 starts at $248. Programs: MPC-DM, Enrich-Plat. USER_MINI_PROFILE. The 787-10 is the newest and largest 787 model. She won't if she stays within 560,000lbs MTOW, but for a heavier "787-10ER" variant (or any 787 that exceeds 560,000lbs MTOW), this will indeed be the case. A 787-10ER is a narrower aircraft with a smaller wing than an A350-900. And let us also remember what Boeing actually told Leeham;: According to reports, Boeing is working on a high gross weight (HGW) variant of the 787-10. For example, range, seat count, MTW, MLW of 787-8LR, 9LR, 10, 10ER, 10LR, 11, 11ER. While I think we will eventually see a 787-10ER, I don't. Hell if it’s good enough you might even see a 787-9ER (fitted with extra tanks) do AKL-LHR one day! That’s a 20 hour flight still air but with the right planning could get that down a bit. FAQ; Search . Boeing B87-10 is less popular. The Federal Aviation Administration approved Boeing’s plans to inspect and repair tiny manufacturing flaws in the Dreamliner’s carbon-composite frame, two people familiar with the plan said late Friday. Similar capacity & closer to the 772's range. flipdewaf wrote: The 787-10 isnt capable enough to be fully mainstream just yet, even with the 6T MTOW upgrade it has ~6800nm SAR and 4550nm at MZFW. dubbed the “787-10ER. ボーイングが検討しているb787-10erについてどんな改造が予想されるのか、日本（ana/jal）や海外の航空会社の反応について. 787 Future Prospects (787-9LR, 787-10ER, 787 New Engine) #22460963. FAQ; Search . The massive difference in the overall range restricts the 787 to operate only on regional or select long-haul routes, with ultra-long routes totally out of the. So the 787-9 would have the most headroom for an increase to create a 787-9ER. JC Guest. By comparison, the 787-10's span is the shortest of all the Dreamliners, at 11,910km. According to Wikipedia, the typical passenger configuration for the 787-10 is 330 seats in a 2-class layout. The Boeing 787-9 – which Qantas will fly from October this year – stretches out to 14,140km, albeit with more passengers than the 8. Better if Boeing is able to offer an additional model of 787-10ER with A350-900 range but by. Really fun to see Boeing working on projects instead of fixing mistakes. FAQ; Search . Subscribe to newsletters Subscribe: $29. Helpful . FAQ; SearchA 787-10ER would allow higher density destinations from ORD, such as Haneda. Once the backlog is cleared out and things are fully back on track I expect we will start to see the new 789 and 787-10ER. With 8 abreast seating the economics. Settings WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] NO_PMS_INFOTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . While the massive GE9X provides the huge thrust needed to. USER_MINI_PROFILE. Boeing is trying to source 777s to help its customers through this new 787 delay,. More importantly a 787-10ER (and 11ER if it is feasible) can be developed within a time frame that allows it to be available around the 359/10 EIS. With newer seats 8 abreast would be acceptable for medium distance flights. It would be interested to see if the mentioned 787-10’s MTOW increase of 6. FAQ; Search . A 787-10ER can be a great replacement for the 777-200ER, the standard 10 already is for all routes up to around 12 hours. Assuming 195 lbs per passenger ( FAA average adult passenger weight in winter) plus 50 lbs baggage per passenger, gives a typical payload of 80,850 lbs. A larger 777-9 might be more costly to operate if not all the seats are sold or if seasonal demand disappears. 1034. USER_MINI_PROFILE. So the 787-9 would have the most headroom for an increase to create a 787-9ER. How. FAQ; SearchB787-10 is a better choice. Some significant production gaps emerge in 2023. 228 lb, reportedly offered to NZ (787-10ER) in 2019, would have to partially include and increased OEW because of the possible needed redesigning, structural strengthening or reinforcment of any or more of the aircraft’s parts: fuselage, wingbox, wings. August 23, 2019, ©. 000 kg / 13. Settings WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] NO_PMS_INFOThe 787-10 still wont have the range for the likes of PVG, SIN, CPT etc in BA config without starting to lose cargo capacity. According to Wikipedia, the typical passenger configuration for the 787-10 is 330 seats in a 2-class layout. Really fun to see Boeing working on projects instead of fixing mistakes. Lots of 77Es coming up for retirement in the next decade and Boeing knows Airbus is waiting to offer a ton of A350s at a nicer schedule if the 778 doesn't get going they they want it to. Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . DLHAM. This affects passenger comfort but it also gives a lighter aircraft with less wetted area. Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . The cost wouldn't be worth it. Boeing should put its financial and engineering resources to getting its supply chain and production quality in order, then into designing a brand new replacement of the 737 line (I think we all know that there cannot be a 5th generation 737). The industry-leading technology of the 787 Dreamliner is creating remarkable opportunities for airlines around the world and dramatically improving the air travel experience. Boeing should put its financial and engineering resources to getting its supply chain and production quality in order, then into designing a brand new replacement of the 737 line (I think we all know that there cannot be a 5th generation 737). I’m thinking full 787-9 replacement of the 772s particularly if you think about the updated 260T 787-9 which American takes delivery of from 2024. For exemple, pilot hiring. Often compared with the long-range, wide. DLHAM. The biggest window size of any aircraft, positioned so that everyone can enjoy the views; Dreamliner interior includes high vaulted ceiling, wide body, and adjustable LED. FAQ; Search . Air New Zealand has placed an order for eight Boeing 787-10 Dreamliners with 20 options in a deal worth $2. ” This is the 2nd type of Dreamliner added to our fleet. 4 for the -10. The 787-10 has the lowest range out of the 787-8 and 787-9, however offers a 15% increase in passenger and cargo capacity. Settings WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] NO_PMS_INFOYou have no notifications. Boeing has received orders for 396 787-9s from 26 customers to date. It will be interesting to see if the airline decides to phase out its older Dreamliners by then. Settings WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] NO_PMS_INFOSettings WELCOME_INDEX, Google Adsense [Bot] Google Adsense [Bot]TOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . Such an aircraft would be niche and it would probably be easier to make a 787-8ER. Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . UA could take 30-40 of those. USER_MINI_PROFILE. Unanswered topics; Active topics; Search; Quick links. The aircraft is packed with new technology. FAQ; SearchYou have no notifications. Are there many 772 routes at AA that the 787-10ER cannot do. A 787-9ER would make for an interesting ULH plane too. TOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . 787-9ER and -10ER is only going to attract a marginal number of additional orders from existing 787. The Iraqi flag carrier has taken the first of 10 787s on order, to profitably grow its long-haul network and connect Iraq to. A 787-9ER would make for an interesting ULH plane too. For example, range, seat count, MTW, MLW of 787-8LR, 9LR, 10, 10ER, 10LR, 11, 11ER. I could see UA buying the 787-10ER to augment their fleet, and possibly add the 787-10ER to replace 777-200ERs. . If large capacity is an airline's goal, then the 777-9 is your best bet. DLHAM. TOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . Leaving the existing fleet + more 787-10ER to cover the rest of the network. I expect a small paper MTOW bump to the 787-9 to do the New York route. Too much is changing too quickly to make a reasonable decision. What needs to be kept in mind is that the Trent 1000 issues were slow in coming. Jumbo Dreamliner The. Mar 20, 23, 11:01 pm #20 Cambo . I could see NZ snapping up both types… the 787-9ER for ORD/EWR/IAH while the 787-10ER for LAX/SFO/YVR. The WestJet 787 Dreamliner has smart sensors that detect turbulence and are designed to reduce motion sickness eightfold, according to Boeing. It included the two A350s, four Boeing 787-9, and 13 narrowbody Airbuses. As a stretch of the 787-9, the 787-10 leverages the family’s proven technology, long range and preferred passenger experience, with unprecedented efficiency: 10 percent better fuel and emissions than the best on offer by the competition and 25 percent. If the speculation is true, the 787-10 can get up to a 1000nm increase in range or 12 tons in increased payload. Settings WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] NO_PMS_INFOTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . I think the 787-10ER/LR/XLR relies on the success of the 778. I doubt we will ever see an 778 passenger version. Propulsion: Two General Electric GENX-1B76 engines. Posts: 1025; Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:10 am; USER_STATUS: OFF_LINE; Re: 787-9ER and 787-10ER #23825037. Boeing 777-300ER 20 — 304 Boeing 777-9 — 20 Deliveries start 2027. Posts: 1022; Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:10 am; USER_STATUS: OFF_LINE; Re: 787-9ER and 787-10ER #23825037. Posts: 1025; Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:10 am; USER_STATUS: OFF_LINE; Re: 787-9ER and 787-10ER #23825037. LNA was the first to report the 777-8 entry-into-service will slip by at least two years. Assuming 195 lbs per passenger ( FAA average adult passenger weight in winter) plus 50 lbs baggage per passenger, gives a typical payload of 80,850 lbs. After dropping its unconventional Sonic Cruiser project, Boeing announced the. NEXT. FAQ; SearchYou have no notifications. . 787-8 787-9 787-10 787-10ER 777-8 777-9 It seems really the only missed opportunity is a 787-10ER with 359 range/pax capability. LATAM has mostly returned narrowbody airplanes. Dhierin. Cost $338. Reply. BY ZK-NBT - Sat Jun 03, 2023 12:33 amBAGHDAD, June 22, 2023 — Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Iraqi Airways today celebrated the delivery of the airline’s first Boeing 787 Dreamliner with a special event in Baghdad to welcome the flag-carrier’s super-efficient widebody jet. BY Stitch - Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:52 am. Elevating your experience on even the shortest flights. Revelation. 4 for the -10. Re: 787-9ER and 787-10ER #23820773. Notably, the capacity pits the plane between the largest 737 MAX narrowbody and the 787 Dreamliner widebody. Depending on the final configuration, it will have a range of about 7000 - 7500nm and seating capacity between 310 and 360. Could a 787-10ER fill the gap? Could Boeing Replace The 777-8 With a 787-10ER? United Boeing 787-10 Damages Taxiway Lights In Newark. USER_MINI_PROFILE. Can anyone have a stab at figures for proposed 787 models. FORWARD ZONE FORWARD ZONE Boeing 787-10 Business Class Seat with console on the left Business Class Seat with console on the right Business Class - JTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . Advanced searchThis increase allowed this plane to be useful during the COVID-19 pandemic due to the demand for cargo. The wing loading of a 787-10ER at Max Take-Off Weight goes from 700kg/m2 to 750kg/m2. This video is about the Boeing 787-10 and 787-9. You have no notifications. Advanced searchThe current 787 can't even compete that well against the A359 so I really doubt even a 787-10ER or something like that would give the more capable A350 variants anywhere close to as much of a competition as the 777X is able to. Likewise, Calhoun urged calm about the threat of competition from China, which he acknowledged is a growing power in aviation. To address your earlier point, will a MTOW bump adding 400 miles change its competitive position, yes, AFAIK the returns are greatest in these middle ranges. Boeing 787-10ER — 45 Deliveries start 2027. The biggest threat to the 777X is smaller widebodies, like the A350-900 and strongly rumored 787-10ER. By Pranjal Pande Feb 18, 2022 United Airlines 787-10. Dubbed the 787-10ER for now, this could see up to 1,000NM added to the range, bringing it far closer to the A359's figure. USER_MINI_PROFILE. About the Boeing 787-10. How. 787-9ER and -10ER is only going to attract a marginal number of additional orders from existing 787. A 787-10ER can be a great replacement for the 777-200ER, the standard 10 already is for all routes up to around 12 hours. Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . B78X. Something with the range performance between an A330-300/767-400ER and. Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . I feel like they could be one of those airlines that could push 78X ER towards the end of its limit on a regular basis if they ever showed interest in the type. 787-9ER and -10ER is only going to attract a marginal number of additional orders from existing 787. Posts: 1022; Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:10 am; USER_STATUS: OFF_LINE; Re: 787-9ER and 787-10ER #23825037. If Boeing's new financial mantra had applied in 2012-13, there would be no 777X. Our fleet of 23 aircraft includes Airbus A320 and A320neo aircraft. The A350XWB-1000 “Double Sunset” aircraft will be very competetive against the 777-9 and leave the 777-8 as a 777-8F. The 787-10's added capacity comes at the cost of its range, which is stated by Boeing to be 6,330NM (11,730km)- a rather sharp decline from the 787-8's range of 7,565NM (14,010km). Posts: 1012; Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:10 am; USER_STATUS: OFF_LINE; Re: 787-9ER and 787-10ER #23825037. A Clean Sheet Widebody: The Story Of The Boeing 787 . Posts: 1026; Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:10 am; USER_STATUS: OFF_LINE; Re: 787-9ER and 787-10ER #23825037. If that is accurate that would be truly impressive! If they do launch the 787-10ER it may dominate the 300 seat Long space for many years! Maybe a 290-300 seat config for Qantas one day. Posts: 4354; Joined: Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:53 am;. FAQ; Search . Boeing has already started to fit the stronger -10 parts onto the -9. Settings WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] NO_PMS_INFOTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . 787 Dreamliner is a popular aircraft, but comparing an upgraded 787-10 or 787-9 vs 777-300er ,how would an 7. Search Flights. Boeing News Which Airlines Fly The Boeing 787-10? By Tom Boon Published Nov 24, 2020 Boeing Flight Test & Evaluation, Boeing Field, Seattle, Flight. That's because its oldest 787-8s would be 18-20 years old by the early 2030s. You have no notifications. You have no notifications. Boeing's list price for the 787 starts at $248. Leeham News: In our series about classical flight controls (“fly by steel wire”) and Fly-By-Wire (FBW or “fly by electrical wire”) we now look at practical implementations after discussing the authority of the flight control system last week. Settings WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] NO_PMS_INFOI think a frame will have to be significantly bigger in size than a theoretical mid 2030's 787-10ER with new engines, to offer something unique enough for them to take on another type verses just retiring 777 and buying more 787. Materials, aerodynamics, systems, and engines have been chosen and designed with the overall, integrated design at the forefront. Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . United Airlines 787-10. FAQ; Search . Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; UCP_PROFILE_SETTINGSTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . USER_MINI_PROFILE. ロールスロイス トレント 1000-TEN. Even as Boeing resumes and ramps up 737 production, it’s facing rate reductions for the 787 and, LNA learned, for the 777. The 737 platform has been pushed much harder than the 787, as you know. Perhaps the main reason but the 787-10's lack of popularity is due to the simple fact that it is a newer aircraft. RE: 787-10 Versus 777-200, 777-200ER, And 777-200LR #5146675. With Qantas using a normal 787 to test the Project Sunrise concept, it would not be far fetched for them to consider an actual 787 with an extra range. 2. (787 engine) to get is the LEAP's reduction in turbine cooling during cruise to improve fuel. Quick links. We need to estimate the A350-1000 ULR and 777-8 fuel burn. USER_MINI_PROFILE. To read the rest of the article Login or Subscribe today. 000 kg / 13. We use our airliner performane model to analyze how this can be. Leeham News: In last week’s article we went through the reasons for a longer range 787-10, a 787-10ER version (ER for Extended Range). If that is accurate that would be truly impressive! If they do launch the 787-10ER it may dominate the 300 seat Long space for many years! Maybe a 290-300 seat config for Qantas one day. From Wiki "777-10X Boeing is proposing to stretch the -9 by four rows of seats to accommodate 450 passengers in a 777-10X variant to compete with the Airbus A380. solutions. The later generation engines on the A350-900 closes the difference in operating costs depending on how the aircraft is operated. Too much is changing too quickly to make a reasonable decision. 5mn during its run compared to just $292. But there are also downside with this single fleet strategy. On the deliveries side, CNBC reporting in November indicated that Boeing was aiming to produce between 400 and 450 737 MAX aircraft in 2023 up from about 375 planes in 2022. Better if Boeing is able to offer an additional model of 787-10ER with A350-900 range but by. 4 million Etihad Boeing 787-10 'Greenliner' that the airline says flew the world's most sustainable flight Thomas Pallini 2022-01-30T12:59:00Z A 787-10ER would be a solid 77E replacement for that airframes major users (UA, BA, AA, etc) but would also be a great airframe for 77W users looking to downsize. This is still short of the top wing loading in the business, the 777-300ER at 770kg/m2. The 787-10 as it is now is a simple stretch of 787-9, suffering from payload and range penalty as a result. For exemple, pilot hiring. Introduction Aug. Advanced searchOpportunity and challenges of a 787-10ER, Part 2. FAQ; Search . TOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . As a result, Boeing is reportedly working on a high gross weight variant of the 787-10 (787-10ER) to match the range of its competitor. It would not be surprising for them to stick with the 787 as their only long haul fleet type when the time comes for more replacements -- operating such a small fleet of 777X would make no financial or operational sense. Scroll down for image gallery. Aggressively competing for the order was the Airbus A350, however reports from Reuters earlier last week outlined the airline had selected Boeing jets to replace their ageing fleet of eight Boeing 777-200ERs. A 787-10ER can be a great replacement for the 777-200ER, the standard 10 already is for all routes up to around 12 hours. 4 metric tons on the 787-10, increasing the total Maximum Takeoff Weight (MTOW) of the largest 787 by 12,000 lbs (5443 kg). Qantas has 12 Airbus A350-1000s on order as part of Project Sunrise, which will see the airline operate non-stop flights from Sydney to. A 787-10ER is a narrower aircraft with a smaller wing than an A350-900. FAQ; SearchA 787-10ER would allow higher density destinations from ORD, such as Haneda. I think if Boeing develops (and Playrion adds) the 787-10ER/IGW, that’ll make it a really competitive aircraft. I could see UA buying the 787-10ER to augment their fleet, and possibly add the 787-10ER to replace 777-200ERs. ボーイング 787-10. Sure a "787-10ER" would close any gap with 359, but based on Boeing's offerings, I'd venture to say at least 80-90% of that market is covered. Wingspan: 197 feet, 4 inches. BY ZK-NBT - Sat Jun 03, 2023 12:33 amA 787-10ER can be a great replacement for the 777-200ER, the standard 10 already is for all routes up to around 12 hours. This is still short of the top wing loading in the business, the 777-300ER at 770kg/m2. A MAX-10ER would move the needle more than a 787-10ER, IMO. As before we compare the classical 737 system to. According to Wikipedia, the typical passenger configuration for the 787-10 is. While its increased range might come a little closer to the 777-8, this aircraft would still carry fewer passengers. FAQ; Search . Boeing 787-3. TOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . USER_MINI_PROFILE. Any info you can come up with would be great. One thing I think that is needed is a lower capacity TATL airplane. Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . FAQ; Search . Posts: 1025. Re-certifying a stretched 737 would still be less expensive than developing an all new aircraft. Boeing last week confirmed reports that the rate will fall from 12/mo to 10/mo in 2021 and 2022. Someone was probably misquoted where they used the 787-9 range during a discussion. The 737MAX is a bit like a Ford Crown Victoria (and almost as old) and need to be replaced by an A321neo competitor built by robots. BY ZK-NBT - Sat Jun 03, 2023 12:33 amBoeing should put its financial and engineering resources to getting its supply chain and production quality in order, then into designing a brand new replacement of the 737 line (I think we all know that there cannot be a 5th generation 737). USER_MINI_PROFILE. With only 6,430 nautical miles (11,910km) to play with, its unlikely Air New Zealand will be using this aircraft to fly their route-in-planning, Auckland to New York, in its current configuration. DLHAM. TOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . If that is accurate that would be truly impressive! If they do launch the 787-10ER it may dominate the 300 seat Long space for many years! Maybe a 290-300 seat config for Qantas one day. It will leave United with a modern widebody fleet of 200 787 (787-8, 787-9, 787-9ER, 787-10 and 787-10ER) and 22 77W. Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . TOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . The cost wouldn't be worth it. That would make current Dreamliner fleets easier to integrate. DLHAM. Therefore, while the 787-10 can carry 330 in a two-class configuration, 40 more passengers than the 787-9, it comes at a cost to the aircraft's range. This affects passenger comfort but it also gives a lighter aircraft with less wetted area. 6000. The wing loading of a 787-10ER at Max Take-Off Weight goes from 700kg/m2 to 750kg/m2. Advanced searchYou have no notifications. I could see UA buying the 787-10ER to augment their fleet, and possibly add the 787-10ER to replace 777-200ERs. While the 787-8 took its first flight in 2009 and the -9 in 2013, the -10 didn't take off until 2017. The control laws of Classical versus Fly-By-Wire control systems. FAQ; Search . The 789 seems an excellent performer and sells well and sooner or later Boeing will have to look at a 787-10ER like aircraft, 300-350 seats 8000NM isn't a niche. Related. TOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . IMHO a 787-10ER won't compete with the 777-9X I agree it overlaps the bottom end of the current 777. FAQ; Search . FAQ; Search . The 787-10ER would need additiinal strengthening. FAQ; Search . FAQ; Search . The A350 can fly 8,100NM (9,320 miles) at the same passenger capacity as the 787. Boeing pitches the 787 and 777X—with a combined production capacity of 35/mo or 389/yr at current rates. . With delays to the non-flying 777 program, why doesn't Boeing offer a 787-10ER instead?. The industry-leading technology of the 787 Dreamliner is creating remarkable opportunities for airlines around the world and dramatically improving the air travel experience. credit: Aero Icarus. flyabr. 5t増加させ、その航続距離を7,300nm(13,500km)に延長できるかもしれません。 結果的に、777-300ERと類似の航続距離を達成し、（燃料を満タン状態で）類似の舗装面荷重と翼荷重となりそうです。TOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . If that is accurate that would be truly impressive! If they do launch the 787-10ER it may dominate the 300 seat Long space for many years! Maybe a 290-300 seat config for Qantas one day. But the lack of range makes this plane also inferior to the Airbus A350 series. Such an aircraft would be niche and it would probably be easier to make a 787-8ER. View Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner seating and specifications on United aircraft using this United Airlines seating chart. Boeing maintains that nothing has happened to delay planned delivery schedules. It Reinvents Fleet Plans and Transforms Business Plans. FAQ; Search . " In 2019, LNA predicted Boeing would develop a 787-10ER (Extended Range) version, which is another way of saying High Gross Weight. 5mn for the 787-9. Cruise Speed: 560 mph. Our dream is ever-growing. I doubt we will ever see an 778 passenger version. USER_MINI_PROFILE. That would remove the 777-200 and part of the 767 fleet and grow the A350 order to the 100 mark as said in the video.